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Developer Meet And Greet from 2014-03-20

Developer Meet And Greet from 2014-03-20

This meeting was held in English. It was logged by Flair[1].



Mesanna ok lets begin
Mesanna Pandora welcome
Kyronix Good Evening Pandora
Pandora Hello my Dark one.
Mesanna Good evening
Pandora Well, my first feedback for you guys is that this system was a great idea….
Pandora I know Mes really wanted it to shine from her video at the 15th anniversary
Pandora But I think for some times now
Pandora you’ve been trying to mesh certain communities that do not traditionally mesh well
Pandora I felt this system was predominately created for RP’ers
Pandora but in adding the city buffs, it seemed to want to include the pvp’ers
Pandora and traditionally those two communities just do not get along
Pandora its the whole reason Trammel exists in the first place
Pandora I feel the governor system should be expanded to include Felucca
Pandora Let them have their own governor system
Pandora and let them have the city buffs
Pandora The two communities are just too basically different
Pandora We want to beautify the city, we want to have events that are based in the history of the cities
Pandora we want to expand the collections
Pandora like the zoo and the museum and the library
Pandora and none of those efforts
Pandora NONE
Pandora are taken into consideration by certain groups
Pandora all they want is their buff
Pandora because they create their templates
Pandora for pvp
Pandora based on them
Pandora period.
Pandora they dont care for any efforts that we do (the RP’ers) to bring that element to the city
Pandora and while all our events are open to all types of players
Pandora they just dont find that stuff fun
Pandora they want to go out and pvp
Pandora that’s their fun
Pandora so please
Pandora consider that
Pandora those two communities are DIFFERENT
Pandora they have different goals
Pandora different objectives
Pandora and i’d love to see Felucca be more
Pandora than just a place that we have exiled reds to
Pandora it should be FAR more than that
Pandora maybe I would enjoy pvp again
Pandora if there was more to it
Pandora but i urge to trhink about
Pandora giving felucca its own governor system
Pandora and letting trammel be more of the rp-focused governor system
Pandora will that stop griefers?
Pandora prob not… if someone REALLY wants to grief you
Pandora they will
Pandora but at least this separation will
Pandora not PROMOTE such things
Pandora the voting
Pandora should be 1 vote per account on ONE SHARD
Pandora the shard you have your house on
Pandora that’s your main shard
Pandora and if you play multiple shards
Pandora great
Pandora but to have it open up to x y z shards all over
Pandora just wasnt a good idea
Pandora it was far better before
Pandora when all my characters could vote
Pandora i feel the change was
Pandora too impulsive
Pandora because it actually promotes
Pandora people cross-shard voting
Pandora like we’re basically forced to do that
Pandora and what about ppl like me?
Pandora i have only ever played catskills
Pandora my whole UO life
Pandora I dont play other shard
Pandora therefore
Pandora guess what
Pandora I am not as popular as others that do
Pandora so its become a total popularity contest
Pandora its not about what you can do for your city
Pandora its about how many people you know
Pandora :(
Mesanna its politics
Pandora And that’s right… it is…
Pandora and if I paid $15/mo to be an US Citizen to vote
Pandora then that would be equivalent
Pandora but this is a game
Pandora that we all subscribe to
Pandora and pay for
Pandora we dont want to pay money to be griefed or
Pandora have it be unfair
Pandora or even percieved as unfair
Pandora again
Mesanna Ok Pandora how were you griefed
Pandora i think felucca should be looked at more
Pandora Well what I percieved as griefed is the personal attacks on my character
Pandora on my moral standing
Pandora being called names or being told that my only job is to PAY for a city buff
Pandora I see that as griefed
Pandora griefing is anything that makes you feel a certain way
Pandora it causes grief
Pandora i felt nothing I did
Pandora was worth anything
Pandora it was just about paying $2 mil a week for a buff
Pandora expected to pay that out of my own pocket
Pandora it was just my first term, i didnt know what it was going to be like…
Pandora hell for ever my friend was governor of another city and we didnt even know
Pandora a guideline
Pandora on what the EM’s could or could not provide
Pandora it was SOOOOOO drastically different
Pandora from one shard to the other
Mesanna ok
Pandora For the longest we didnt know what the system was really about
Mesanna lets stick to the topic on hand here please
Pandora k
Mesanna so to sum up your issues
Mesanna you want Fel incorportated
Pandora I do… with its own system, with the city buffs moved there
Mesanna well I was going to wait till the end but I will say this now
Mesanna fel is not even under Blackthorns ruling so thats going to be hard under the new PVP system …
Mesanna that will be in place in the future
Mesanna we want it out of towns not putting things back into the towns
Mesanna one vote per account per shard?
Mesanna Is that right?
Mesanna sorry taking notes
Pandora more like lock an account once a vote is cast to that shard
Pandora or if it is as Kyronix mentioned before tied to the housing database
Pandora maybe that might be something to explore too
Pandora vote on the shard where your house is
Mesanna Different systems
Pandora ok
Pandora kyro mentioned something about it would have to be similar to that database (something to that
Pandora effect).
Pandora because housing is locked to 1 shard
Pandora not that they are same systems but that its similar in tha tsense
Mesanna Pandora please finish up
Pandora k
Mesanna no thats not going to work
Pandora Okay.
Kyronix *nods*
Pandora Okay
Pandora Okay
Kyronix Thank you for your feedback
Mesanna Thanks sorry finishing the notes
Mesanna hi Timothy
Timothy Taterson Greetings
Kyronix Welcome Timothy
Mesanna lets keep this to a few minutes ok
Timothy Taterson Governor Smoot has sent me on his behalf
Mesanna so everyone gets a chance to talk
Mesanna I saw him outside
Timothy Taterson he welcomes everyone to the city of Britain, and extends
Timothy Taterson the office of Britain to the Dark Lady
Timothy Taterson you are at his disposal
Timothy Taterson I will keep this brief
Timothy Taterson (OOC)
Timothy Taterson The system is popular with RPers
Timothy Taterson and to alot of RPers 2mil a week is alot
Timothy Taterson i see no reason for a gold charge for a city buff
Timothy Taterson smaller shards would make use of it more if it were no charge
Timothy Taterson in regards to voting
Timothy Taterson 1 voter per account or otherwise
Timothy Taterson please keep things simple. there are always people who will prepare, see what it takes to have an
Timothy Taterson advantage in any system
Timothy Taterson please keep in mind that any change, if there is any advatage, people will find it
Timothy Taterson just please keep the system open to all
Timothy Taterson and not just those with 20 -50 accounts who take advatage of any given voting changes
Timothy Taterson To conclude
Timothy Taterson Politics in a video game…
Timothy Taterson is sure to make many unhappy
Timothy Taterson its can be a brutal combo
Timothy Taterson i would expect those running for governor to accept this
Timothy Taterson a bit moreso than normal gameplay
Timothy Taterson Governor Smoot did everything in his power to run a clean campaign
Timothy Taterson And Commends all the Governors that try to do the same
Timothy Taterson that is all
Kyronix Thank you Timothy
Mesanna thank you
Timothy Taterson *nods*
Mesanna Kyronix
Kyronix Yes?
Mesanna You want to say something before we pull more
Kyronix Ya sure, let me talk about the trade deal real quick
Kyronix To keep it short, because I know a lot of people want to have a chance to speak
Kyronix You have to examine the cost based on the reality of the economy as it is
Kyronix Is 2 mil a lot for one person? Some yes, some no – however it was never intended for one perso
Kyronix To carry that burden, and we’ve seen that has become the case in many instances
Kyronix So instead of just dropping the cost, what we’d rather do is provide more tools
Kyronix For Governors and their citizens to take advantage of so they can fund their cities
Kyronix and the treasuries in novel and exciting ways
Kyronix That’s about the jist of it
Mesanna thanks
Kyronix *grins*
Mesanna nice and short I love it
Mesanna next
Kyronix Hello Jon
Jon Marcus Good evening Messana and Kyronix.Thank for for holding this meeting.
Mesanna hi Jon
Jon Marcus Mine will also be short
Mesanna *smiles*
Jon Marcus I would like to make a request that you change the “one accout–one vote+ rule
Mesanna do you mean make it so?
Jon Marcus I vote in Skara,but I also have another character that is very fond of Jhelom
Jon Marcus I had to make a decision on which city to vote in
Jon Marcus But…
Mesanna oh I see what you mean
Jon Marcus In allowing this,I would suggest that one account would be allowed to vote in the same city more t
Jon Marcus than pnce
Jon Marcus than once
Jon Marcus Thank you
Kyronix Thank you Jon
Mesanna your welcome thank you for coming
Jon Marcus thanks
Mesanna dbl click the bell
Mesanna Hi Bardo
Bardo Hi mesana
Kyronix Hello Bardo
Mesanna No one can spell my name!
Bardo I would like to say jsut 2 things please
Bardo o srry
Mesanna ok
Bardo First I agree with Jon
Bardo we could make its so one account could vote in 2 cities
Bardo that would be fair I think
Bardo and ..
Bardo I dont know what pandoras box said all of anyway
Bardo but not allowing pvprs to
Bardo get buffs.. I dont agree. some of us have pvpr
Bardo and play the rp side .,
Bardo so I dont find that fair
Bardo taht is all thank you
Mesanna Thank you
Kyronix Thank you Bardo
Aron Unrequited Thank you for your time
Kyronix Hello Aron
Mesanna hi Aron
Aron Unrequited I have one request, and one general comment
Aron Unrequited The request first, as it doesn’t need an answer as such
Aron Unrequited But the councils I attend tend to be well behaved, and you can see similar here tonight
Aron Unrequited Why, we even queue decently!
Aron Unrequited The fear of the Dark Lady perhaps; hence as a connected request, it would be nice to see that at wider events
Aron Unrequited Greater powers to squelch etc, I’m not sure, but the things that work for the Council have made roleplay in particular so much stronger
Aron Unrequited But, my question about it directly;
Aron Unrequited I play Europa, there’s a question on Stratics about running for a Governer spot that’s still open
Mesanna ok how is this related to the issue we are here tonight?
Aron Unrequited Could there be some clarification on how players can do that?
Mesanna is there is an opening
Aron Unrequited On Jhelom yes
Mesanna email me and I will discuss Europa with you
Mesanna this is not the place tonight
Aron Unrequited I ask because it will be open on many shards
Mesanna this is about an issue on Cats
Mesanna not an open forums for any issue
Mesanna sorry
Aron Unrequited Oh? I thought it was for Governors in general, I’m sorry
Mesanna no its not
Aron Unrequited Then I shall bell myself out
Aron Unrequited Thank you again
Mesanna no problem email me
Kyronix Thank You
Aornis of GL Good evening, Mesanna, Kyronix. Thank you for holding this open forum.
Mesanna Hi Aornix
Kyronix Hello!
Aornis of GL I am Aornis, also Alice, of Great Lakes, the current governor of Vesper.
Aornis of GL I came here tonight to discuss what happened during last week’s election on Great Lakes.
Aornis of GL Specifically, I want to discuss the Britain election.
Aornis of GL The current, and previous, governor of Brit was griefed, and I feel that the actions of
Aornis of GL the individual who did so should have ramifications.
Mesanna Stop guys
Mesanna I am sorry
Mesanna one second
Mesanna This meeting is about Catskills
Mesanna They are having an issue
Aornis of GL I apologize. From what I read of FLutter’s message on stratics
Aornis of GL it was for all greifing issues during elections
Mesanna and asked for a meeting with us to discuss it
Mesanna we will be more than happy to come to your shards and speak to you guys
Aornis of GL May we request a GL meeting as well?
Mesanna yes be happy to
Aornis of GL Please.
Aornis of GL Thank you!
Mesanna we will set it up
Mesanna but know this
Aornis of GL Wonderful, thank you so much.
Mesanna as I answered in email this
Mesanna we do not have unique names
Mesanna if a player is harrassing you then the bouncer behind me
Mesanna will take care of it
Mesanna he is very good at his job
Brutrin Indeed
Aornis of GL I have a point about the names, but I will share it on our GL meetings
Mesanna ok
Aornis of GL and he does look intimidating : )
Mesanna lol
Mesanna pretty huh
Aornis of GL Hehe, yes
Mesanna I am not trying to be rude here
Mesanna I am sorry Aornis
Mesanna we will set up a meeting
Aornis of GL Thank you for your time. And again, I apologize for the confusioin about the topics.
Mesanna oh I have two now
Mesanna nice
Aornis of GL hehe
Aornis of GL Thank you both
Mesanna thank you
Kyronix Thank you
Aornis of GL have a great evening.
Mesanna we will set up a date
Aornis of GL See you on GL, Mesanna.
Mesanna ok
Mesanna hi General
Kyronix Greetings!
General chaos sorry
General chaos lost con
General chaos sorry for the hold up
Mesanna no worries
General chaos im gona keep it short and to the point
Kyronix If you get removed from teh castle just head on back
Kyronix Not sure if you were out long enough to get auto removed
Kyronix *smiles*
General chaos ok anyway
General chaos i was on the night during the last day to vote
General chaos and there was alot bashing
General chaos typical for general chat
General chaos i cant quote anyone to much extent
General chaos but i do remeber
General chaos that someone not giving any names
General chaos made a character
General chaos skankilicous
General chaos and called pandora a skank
General chaos and i did confront them
General chaos and they just ignored me and then it exploded in general chat
Mesanna thats what the harrassment feature is for
General chaos yes but that feature doesnt work
Mesanna ?
General chaos mutiple people have used it
General chaos and nothing happend
Mesanna Is it broke?
General chaos happens
General chaos not broke
General chaos no gms heere
General chaos here
Mesanna Psst
General chaos i have been back
Mesanna two right here
General chaos for 3 months
General chaos and u guys are the first ones to see
Mesanna and you won’t see a GM for that type of call
General chaos i understand people trash talk
General chaos its a game
General chaos but breaking peoples morals and stuff like ive seen
Mesanna General I am trying to get to the bottom of the issue here
General chaos uncalled for
Mesanna agreed
General chaos aye
Mesanna we are supposed to be adults
Mesanna or most of us are =)
General chaos i know
General chaos thats all i gotta say
Mesanna thank you
Kyronix Thank You
General chaos thank you guys
Mesanna dbl click the bell
Mesanna hi Parnoc
Parnoc Good Evening
Kyronix Hello!
Parnoc i just have a comment that i think may help
Parnoc I feel that this was done to make the cities more visited
Parnoc but it has done the opposite
Parnoc i feel that is
Parnoc if
Parnoc the buff were decided by each citizen
Parnoc it would not make the person switch his city that he has been loyal to for
Parnoc perhaps a long time
Parnoc and would make much more popular the city buff and loyalty for each city
Parnoc that’s it, thank you very much
Mesanna thank you
Kyronix Thank You
Mesanna hi Lucent
Lucent Dreher Hello
Kyronix Hello Lucent
Lucent Dreher I’d like to keep this short
Lucent Dreher as many are waiting
Lucent Dreher so excuse abruptness
Mesanna *nods*
Lucent Dreher I feel that most people do not agree that the city system is for rpers and that it is useful to
Lucent Dreher all
Lucent Dreher I also would like to know exactly what the problem on catskills was
Mesanna me too
Mesanna I have heard many things
Lucent Dreher The election might have been a bit heated but it couldn’t be the worst
Mesanna but I hoped to hear it first hand
Mesanna but I haven’t
Lucent Dreher Sorry that’s about it
Lucent Dreher cya
Mesanna thank you
Mesanna hi Velvathos
Mesanna stop
Velvathos Greetings!
Kyronix Sorry!
Kyronix Wrong button
Velvathos Interestin’ look ye have there Mesanna, been bathing in charcoal again?
Velvathos Anyways!
Velvathos Onto the discussion! I believe voting
Mesanna you better be glad my slay button stalled out =P
Velvathos I believe that voting should be done once per shard somehow, like someone else suggested
Velvathos Tied to your house or something along the lines
Velvathos But I feel you should be able to use all your characters to vote to vote in multiple cities
Velvathos But only on one shard
Velvathos I believe that’s all for now then..
Velvathos I will send you an e-mail..
Mesanna thank you
Mesanna ok
Mesanna hi Brigantia
Brigantia Could we please have some way of earning lockdowns for our events? A tool with limited time set?
Brigantia Something that is not subject to the whims of EM’s?
Brigantia Spread out to all the cities?
Mesanna For what purpose?
Brigantia Events
Brigantia to combat griefers
Brigantia so they dont run off with all our decor

[Brigantia: and ruin our events

Mesanna you mean like the market
Mesanna or a crafting center
Mesanna etc
Brigantia no like the Hoopla
Brigantia only Governors can do it
Mesanna ok so Kyronix and the team have talked about this
Brigantia something not subject to the whim of EMs
Mesanna and we talked to the EM’s
Brigantia something we can earn
Brigantia so its not just given out to 3 cites of 9 for example
Mesanna we are going to build a library of the areas
Mesanna that the governs can place for a limited time
Mesanna in specific areas
Mesanna but giving you the options to lock down items
Brigantia that will help greatly
Mesanna I think that will help you guys alot
Mesanna do the events you want to do
Mesanna and you can place them yourselfs
Mesanna and place the styles of set ups you want
Mesanna but thats in the future
Brigantia it will help with greifers and percieved favoritism
Brigantia i may consider running again if that is in place
Brigantia thank you
Mesanna your welcome
Mesanna thanks you
Mesanna thank you
Mesanna Poo Poo
Mesanna Hi
Kyronix Hello
Poo Poo Undies Hello
Poo Poo Undies Are there any plans on the table to expand the role of the governorship…
Poo Poo Undies or to provide a purpose to encourage players to interact with their town governor?
Poo Poo Undies aside from the town buff.
Kyronix I think people are already doing that
Kyronix On a number of shards
Kyronix It’s about what you make it – we left i open ended for a reason
Poo Poo Undies Outside of roleplay?
Kyronix The main purpose is to provide a medium for interacting with events throughout the realm
Kyronix And bringing community leaders together and supporting them
Poo Poo Undies Ok. That is all I have to ask
Poo Poo Undies Thank you
Kyronix providing tools to accomplish that would be along the lines of something beyond the buff
Kyronix Thank you
Mesanna hi Aurelius
Aurelius Thank you for the chance to speak on Governor issues, i’ll try be brief…
Aurelius First I agree with most of what Pandora gave as reasons againt sht one vote per account, but ald
Aurelius I play characters, not accounts – by all means limit the account vote to one shard,
Aurelius but adding another gap between the player and the characters is not a good idea…
Aurelius It also led to an issue where someone appeared to stand on multiple – as in about 20 – shards
Aurelius As they were the only opponent to most governors they challenged, people were
Aurelius obliged to vote for that governor – only for the ‘pretender’ to withdraw a ady into the elections
Aurelius so effectively thos people lost any opportunity for a meaningful vote
Aurelius on their home shard.
Aurelius As for Felucca, and buffs … we do need something for the Fel people …
Aurelius As it stands, the Trammel only option is causing more divisiveness between the
Aurelius two groups of players, hwich surely can’t be the intention…
Aurelius A different, but parralel, system would be welcome.
Aurelius Regarding voting being ‘politics’ … yes, it is, in part
Aurelius but when it’s made cross shard polularity, it’s not in-game, shard specific, politics,..
Aurelius and again, surely that is not what is intended?
Aurelius The other thigns I had planned to say, seem inappropriate as I had
Aurelius uinderstood from theforums this was a general ‘Governor’s issues’ duiscussion …
Aurelius Perhaps we can arrange such a general, not shard specific, conversation in some way?
Aurelius And that’s about it ….
Mesanna thank you
Aurelius Thank you for your time
Kyronix Thank you!
Mesanna Hi Jirel
Jirel of Joiry Hello mesanna plz forgive my slow typing and abbr. I hava broken arm and only one hand 4 typing
Mesanna Oh I am sorry
Kyronix Hello! And feel better :(
Jirel of Joiry I wish to ask 4 a legends meeting
Mesanna ok
Mesanna we will do one for all shards
Jirel of Joiry ty kyronix
Mesanna think its a good idea
Jirel of Joiry ty we have had elections probs too
Jirel of Joiry ty 4 both of your time
Mesanna thank you
Kyronix Thank you
Jirel of Joiry sorry again 4 crummy typing
Kyronix No problem
Mesanna no worries
Mesanna dbl click the bell
Mesanna feel better
Jirel of Joiry ty mesanna
Mesanna hi Va’lis
Kyronix Hello Va’lis

Va’lis Razele: Good evening. Va’lis Razele: Where to start where to start… Va’lis Razele: Well first…if you arent doing anything after this Mesanna…I know a lovely tavern in Nu’jelm Va’lis Razele: But that is besides the point

Mesanna asking me for a date?

Va’lis Razele: Are you saying yes?

Mesanna we will talk later *winks*

Va’lis Razele: Oh lovely. Va’lis Razele: Now, down to business Va’lis Razele: I have a few points I would like to bring up. Va’lis Razele: First… The griefing issues. Va’lis Razele: I was there for much of the final day of elections. Va’lis Razele: And to say it was heated well.. Va’lis Razele: Name calling is one thing. Va’lis Razele: Some things were taken past that. Va’lis Razele: Such as this Va’lis Razele: One of many dropped throughout the towns Va’lis Razele: But. Va’lis Razele: People seemed very upset Va’lis Razele: About people using multiple accounts Va’lis Razele: That they pay for

Mesanna look at general chat please

Va’lis Razele: To vote how they wished.

Mesanna Va’lis I am aware of all this and more actually
Mesanna but thank you

Va’lis Razele: Ah lovely. Va’lis Razele: Second thing then.

Mesanna I did come informed

Va’lis Razele: I am glad. Va’lis Razele: But…My next thing Va’lis Razele: Was on the topic of voting? Va’lis Razele: In RL, voting is restricted to those of age Va’lis Razele: Even gifts are restricted to those of age. Va’lis Razele: Why is voting not as well? Va’lis Razele: Just a thought. Va’lis Razele: And one final thing.

Mesanna Are you talking 30 days old?

Va’lis Razele: 30,60,a year

Mesanna do you really think that would help?

Va’lis Razele: Something Va’lis Razele: I think it would help Va’lis Razele: Yes Va’lis Razele: Now..I know.. Va’lis Razele: That some would treat is they do with the gift xsharding Va’lis Razele: But it would help a bit. Va’lis Razele: I saw a few trial accounts opened Va’lis Razele: The young status dropped Va’lis Razele: Ingots donated Va’lis Razele: And they voted

Kyronix You can’t vote with a trial account

Va’lis Razele: If they purchase the 1 month game time

Mesanna Brutrin you there?

Va’lis Razele: They can. Va’lis Razele: I have in the past done it. Va’lis Razele: I admit it, I have. Va’lis Razele: Not for the most recent election Va’lis Razele: But in the past.

Kyronix At that point they have paid for their time just as anyone has
Mesanna Please divorce that person please

Va’lis Razele: Then why are gifts not allowed instantly as well? Va’lis Razele: Merely my thoughts on the matter in regard to voting.

Kyronix We appreciate the feedback
Mesanna tell him to just change the name please

Va’lis Razele: Last thing Va’lis Razele: The whole buff issue Va’lis Razele: I am one that agrees , that maybe the buffs should not be tied to the governorship Va’lis Razele: But maybe to the guild system Va’lis Razele: With a guild treasury Va’lis Razele: After all Va’lis Razele: Some players have their own towns Va’lis Razele: Or other things

Mesanna thank you Va’lis that they do

Va’lis Razele: I think that is all I have.

Mesanna thank you

Va’lis Razele: And Mesanna, I will be waiting for your answer. Va’lis Razele: *winks*

Mesanna *grins*
Gareth Man handle me
Mesanna Hi Gareth
Kyronix Hello Gareth
Gareth ‘Ello
Gareth I have some suggestions to deal with “Outer Shard Voter Fraud”
Gareth and this is coming from an owner of 26 Active UO Accounts
Gareth A way to deal with Outer Shard Voter Fraud during elections is to have each vote drain
Gareth your Characters Loyalty to say negative -10,000. This way the player would have to put
Gareth in the effort to build their rating back up to vote in every election. You could also cap
Gareth the amount of Ingots, Wood Etc. you can donate to gain Loyalty. This would also put a
Gareth wrench in the scripters machine so they can no longer mine unlimited sources of Loyalty.
Gareth This would not negatively impact players who regularly play on the shard or those who
Gareth play on Multiple shards because if they truly play the shard
Gareth building their Loyalty Rating back up should be no problem.
Gareth *Takes a breath*
Gareth And last, I’d like to call for a Producers election and wish to submit my candidacy
Mesanna macro that did ya?
Gareth Ctrl C V
Gareth :-)
Kyronix Heh
Gareth One day… *Shakes fist* One day
Mesanna have a nice day
Gareth I will
Gareth you too Krynoix
Gareth *Evil eyes*
Kyronix Have a good one, enjoy!
Gareth You may man handle me out of here now
Mesanna you can do that yourself
Mesanna dbl click the bell
Mesanna hi Wildstar
WildStar of Baja Hello
Kyronix Hello WildStar
WildStar of Baja First
WildStar of Baja I think voting is already resisted to one vote per shard per vote
WildStar of Baja I think Pandora meant one vote per account
WildStar of Baja Second
WildStar of Baja Role-players and PvPers don’t have to be at each others throats
WildStar of Baja On baja, several PvP guild were providing the funds for the deals
WildStar of Baja so the two groups can work together
WildStar of Baja that was all I had to say
Kyronix Thank You
Mesanna thank you
Mesanna Hi Aedon
Kyronix Hello Aedon
Aedon Durreah Evening Mesanna and things who scare me
Stethun Roar and such.
Mesanna lol
Mesanna my pretties
Mesanna *snickers*
Aedon Durreah First off, I have not seen any true devide in the community I am a part of,
Aedon Durreah I have dealings with those who sit in taverns and those why wild wildly through the old lands
Aedon Durreah This election showed that coming together
Aedon Durreah We had candidates from all walks
Aedon Durreah Was there some mud slinging, most likely
Aedon Durreah I myself dropped leaflets telling voters how untrustworthy I am
Aedon Durreah And yet, I did win
Mesanna lol
Mesanna I am sorry
Kyronix I guess that’s one way to do it
Aedon Durreah I have also had folks from all walks call me names
Mesanna I shouldn’t laugh
Aedon Durreah indeed
Aedon Durreah And i could make a long list of insults and hurt feelings, but to what end?
Aedon Durreah Elections are dirty work
Aedon Durreah And not for those easily hurt or insulted
Aedon Durreah I have a lot of respect for what we are building in these lands
Mesanna You have made some very good points
Kyronix Indeed
Aedon Durreah And hope that no actions will be taken to disrupt the unity of the community at large
Mesanna thank you
Aedon Durreah Thank you for your time and not killing me
Kyronix Thank you Aedon
Mesanna I would not kill you
Mesanna I just enjoy killing Gareth
Kyronix *snickers*
Mesanna Hi Flutter
Kyronix Hello Flutter
Flutter Hello Lady
Flutter And Hello Ladys minions
Flutter Im sorry this is taking so long
Flutter Id like to address a fact
Flutter with the audience
Flutter Mesanna has my permission though she doesnt need it im sure
Flutter to go through all of my accounts
Flutter and hunt down meanly named characters
Flutter that may hurt someones feelings
Flutter The Dark Lady has had my credit card information for months
Flutter certainly she is free to look at my accounts
Mesanna *LAUGHS*
Kyronix *chuckles*
Mesanna trusting soul
Flutter I have no “issues” and dont know why anyone would unless they are sensitive
Flutter I do understand some people are
Flutter And I do know that certian folk have blamed me for their “issues”
Flutter I assure you I have not encouraged anyone to be ugly
Flutter Aint nobody got time fo dat
Flutter But My Lady I beg of you
Flutter Dont limit our voting to once per shard period
Flutter I do play multiple shards
Flutter I do enjoy the company of many people herre and abroad
Flutter I do not believe there to be one person elected to Catskills
Flutter that does not role play in some way
Flutter be it insufficient for those with “issues” i cannot help that
Flutter some of us enjoy all apsects of the game
Flutter But to say that we are not a tignly knit community is wrong
Flutter Even I and the lovely Devin Ashley have mended fences
Flutter and if that is possible
Flutter all else is as well
Flutter But limiting votes
Flutter to once per account
Flutter only hurts the poor fellow with only one account
Flutter who wants to run
Flutter versus the grroup that has what has been called “70+”
Flutter its a lock in win for that person
Flutter and everyone
Flutter even the one with one account only
Flutter should have a chance
Flutter if they wish
Flutter Thank you so much for taking the time
Flutter to listen to everyone
Mesanna No problem
Kyronix Thank You Flutter
Flutter And I aologise if there was a misunderstanding as to what the conversation is supposed to be abou
Mesanna thank you
Flutter I hope whoever had the issue does come forward
Mesanna hi Thom
Kyronix Hello Thom
Thom Evening.
Thom I’m not sure what the specific complain was about this last election
Thom but i was around for most of the week of elections
Thom And I was watching the Britain election a good bit
Thom I’m sure there was more to it then what I saw
Thom but from what I saw people that were not running were causing the issues.
Thom Personally
Thom I feel that if you run for governor you open yourself up to a certain amount of comments
Thom And grief from other people
Thom And if you can not handle that in an appropriate manner
Thom then perhaps you can best benefit your chosen city in a way that doesn’t involve running for office.
Thom It doesn’t require the governor office to run events or better the cities, and people can work with
Thom the elected people to get things done.
Thom There isn’t a person elected on Catskills that i’m aware of that wouldn’t work with someone in their city
Thom To get things done
Thom The other thing
Thom That I wanted to say was about the trade deals
Thom I am looking forward to the things that you have mentioned tonight as coming to the system to help
Thom and feel that the deals benefit everyone equally whether they rp, pvp or strictly pvm
Thom The governor system does a good job of getting people involved in rp that wouldn’t normally
Thom participate in it. And that’s a good thing
Mesanna Thank you Thom
Thom Thank you.
Kyronix Thank you!
Thom For taking the time to listen to us.
Mesanna hi Shenzin
Shenzin Hello Mesanna and Kyronix, and thank you for this visit.
Kyronix Hello!
Shenzin I stand before you to speak to the voting
Shenzin I observed both the Vesper and Brit voting
Shenzin and the Vesper vote was ell handles
Shenzin handled
Shenzin but
Shenzin dear friends of Catskills
Shenzin I was ashamed of ghe Brit voting
Shenzin to watch newbie players come for who knows where
Shenzin and recieve ingots from a packy to gain voting rights?
Shenzin is dead wrong
Shenzin I hope I never witness this shamfulness again here
Shenzin I trust you wil addreess this
Shenzin thank you
Kyronix Thank You
Mesanna thank you
Mesanna hi Tobias
Tobias Cardont Hello.
Tobias Cardont And thank you.
Kyronix Hello
Tobias Cardont Just two sort of quick things
Tobias Cardont First, as a role-player, I’d like to think that role-playing is something that incorporates all kinds of playstyles.
Tobias Cardont PVP, PVM, etc.
Tobias Cardont I don’t think separate but equal is ever a good idea, and hope that approach isn’t adopted.
Tobias Cardont Second, I was watching the election here very closely.
Tobias Cardont Including in and out of game communications with both sides.
Tobias Cardont Both sides attacked credibility. Both sides recruited cross-shard voting.
Tobias Cardont They more or less used the same tactics.
Tobias Cardont And I don’t thin kthere’s anything wrong with that.
Tobias Cardont People should be free to use their accounts to vote how they wish.
Tobias Cardont We all pay money for them.
Tobias Cardont Lastly, when something is a big public spectacle.
Tobias Cardont A lot of people are going to come out of the woodwork.
Tobias Cardont I don’t think it’s fair to blame either side for everything that someone decided to say.
Tobias Cardont Some people enjoy griefing some people might have had an unrelated axe to grind with one of the candidates.
Tobias Cardont In general, I don’t really even understand the need for this meeting because I’ve seen worse elections in UO.
Tobias Cardont but I do appreciate you taking the time to organize this meeting.
Tobias Cardont And hope that it helps in the future.
Tobias Cardont Thanl you and that’s all.
Tobias Cardont Thank you even.
Mesanna Thank you
Tobias Cardont How do I escape?!
Mesanna Tobias dbl click the bell
Kyronix The Bell!
Tobias Cardont Thanks!
Mesanna hi Jac
Jac Singleton My Lady, My Lord, good Beasts…Good evening.
Kyronix Hello!
Jac Singleton i would like to tell you that this is going to be very brief,
Mesanna silent type =)
Jac Singleton so short in fact that you may not even realize that i have stopped speaking by the time this is
Jac Singleton but i wanted to be sure that you were well aware that i am a man of few words, and that I will
Jac Singleton keep my thoughts incredibly short…
Jac Singleton because i believe that if i keep my speech short, it will be better understood in a very quick mann
Jac Singleton er
Jac Singleton and to be concise, i want to remind you that i’ll be quick about this…
Jac Singleton thank you for this brief meeting…
Jac Singleton That being said…
Jac Singleton I wish to remind everyone that behaviors speak louder than words…
Jac Singleton and this in the end is purely entertainment.
Jac Singleton Thank you.
Mesanna thank you
Kyronix Thank You
Mesanna Hi I
I SUCK UP Hello
Kyronix Hello
I SUCK UP First Time Speaker, Long Time ULTIMA player
I SUCK UP I have just one question in 7 parts.
Mesanna welcome
I SUCK UP I’d just like to start off with saying; What a great job you have done in sept hold’s on Atlantic.
Mesanna thanks
I SUCK UP 1. Will there ever be a stop to one person being Governor on (X) number of shards
I SUCK UP Sorry 1min phone.
Mesanna excuse me
Mesanna we just got put on hold I think
Mesanna hrm
Mesanna *looks at watch*
I SUCK UP sorry
Mesanna lol
I SUCK UP I have more inportant things
Mesanna ok
Mesanna hi James
James Hello! *Smiles cheerfully*
James Well, I don’t consider myself much of a citizen of any of the cities…I live in the Freehold.
James I did become a member of Yew though, so I could vote to make Aedon king.
James I was originally thinking of being part of Britain though, but none of the candidates I heard of
James Wanted to burn down the city.
James Which brings me to why I was standing in line, as I found out as I got near the front
James was to talk about voting.
James I never cared much for it, or took it too seriously..
Kyronix *nom*
James I’m more in favor of having a king, duely chosen, by seeing which of possible royals
James would probibly complain the most if they didn’t get their way
James then you put them in charge so they’d stop it.
James That’s about all I have to say about voting.
James By the way, aren’t you the lady who made all those pies?
Mesanna Nope not me
Mesanna never
Kyronix Mesanna’s pie making skills are known throughout the realm
Kyronix She’s just being modest
Kyronix *nods*
Kyronix Thank you James
Mesanna Thank you =)
James I like those pies, much better for throwing then most of the other ones.
Mesanna *grins*
Mesanna dbl click the bell to escape
James Alright then
Mesanna thank you
Mesanna hi Tserim
Kyronix Hello
Tserim Arryth My lady!!
Tserim Arryth I must say, you are looking particularly evil today
Mesanna Why thank you
Tserim Arryth I have two comments and of course a humble suggestion
Mesanna compliments will get you everywhere!
Mesanna of course
Tserim Arryth Firstly, I caution against voting requirements rules which have been suggested
Tserim Arryth One vote per account, acount age, and so forth
Tserim Arryth There will always be a sense of unfairness in large elections
Tserim Arryth For there will always be someone with many accounts, or a lot of gold or a lot of friends
Tserim Arryth What matters, in the end, is that the governor does their job
Mesanna agreed
Tserim Arryth As I understand it, King Blackthorn has the authority to remove ineffective governors
Mesanna that he does
Tserim Arryth As for mud slinging, so long as all live within the rules of Sosaria, it matters little
Tserim Arryth I’ve wrestled bears with fouler mouths!
Tserim Arryth My second comment…
Tserim Arryth I feel that the governors bear too much of a burden with trade deals
Tserim Arryth I think that it help to find a way to spread the love of paying for these trade deals
Tserim Arryth But more importantly:?
Tserim Arryth Smaller shards with smaller populations, cannot so easily get these deals themselves
Tserim Arryth For this reason I think it might be better to have different costs for different deals
Tserim Arryth Or at least some way for smaller towns to access some kind of deal
Tserim Arryth Maybe the cost could scale to the number of citizens or the number of people that use the deal
Tserim Arryth Finally, my humble suggestion
Tserim Arryth There is an up and coming industry in these great lands of Britannia
Tserim Arryth I feel they are being left out of the city trade deals
Tserim Arryth I speak, of course, of the Donut Bakers Association.
Tserim Arryth I feel they have a lot to offer to the great cities of Britannia!
Kyronix Donuts are tasty
Tserim Arryth Yes!!
Tserim Arryth If there is one thing we need in these harrowing times, my lady, it’s more donuts
Mesanna wewill take that under advisement
Tserim Arryth I feel that the recent election could have avoided much of its drama with more donuts.
Mesanna I will see what we can do
Tserim Arryth In any case, that is all I have to say about that!
Kyronix Thank You
Tserim Arryth Toodles!
Mesanna thank you
Mesanna Hi Tazar
Kyronix Hello Tazar
Tazar Greetings My Lady,
Tazar I’ll try to keep this short:
Tazar Thank you for providing the governor’s system.
Tazar We all know that nothing is perfect, and that no matter how it is designed, someone will figure out ways to take advantage, etc.
Tazar But as a whole, I’d say the program has been a success.
Tazar Some have complained about what EM’s and/or you can or won’t do for them.
Tazar but it really boils down to what the Governor can do.
Tazar I was governor for 2 terms on Atlantic and had a great time with it.
Tazar As Governor, I hosted events, and I never really requested anything of the EM’s and never received anything
Tazar except King’s Guards attacking everyone near my house and killing all my neighbors… *grins*
Tazar But it was fun all the way through from start to finish.
Tazar I do however recommend Term Limits be it overall terms allowed, or consecutive terms.
Tazar This system should not really be dominated by a few but should be shared by all.
Tazar I, for one, appreciate the time you and your Dev/EM Team have put into this.
Tazar Like UO itself, you’ve added another level to the sandbox and left the system open for us to play with and take it where we will.
Tazar You can’t please everyone, but I think you all have done a great job.
Kyronix Thank You Tazar
Tazar Thank you.
Mesanna Thank you Tazar
Tazar Now…
Tazar Will you kill Flair for me?
Tazar <<<<<<<<<<< *grins*
Mesanna Flair has not said a word all night long =P
Kyronix Hello
Mesanna hi Kodoz
Kodoz Good evening to all four of you
Kodoz First I’d like to apologize for taking up your night this way, so I will try to be brief.
Kodoz Second, I’d like to say we all appreciate the fine jobs you do on a consistent basis for us
Kodoz Third, I’d like to say that I’ve heard and been witness to a lot of things with…
Kodoz These elections, and that there is one recurring theme that everything falls back to.
Kodoz What has been done to make them fair has been done, to my knowledge
Kodoz Short of insane measures that would be profoundly ridiculous to implement
Kodoz And incredibly time consuming if they were possible
Kodoz There are few things that could improve it
Kodoz Changing to veterans only discourages new players or new accounts
Kodoz And nobody wants that.
Kodoz However, the recurring problem to me is that there is a profound lack….
Kodoz Of perspective.
Kodoz These positions, while In Character
Kodoz Are not some end all be all to our shard or any other.
Kodoz They are merely another tool that you have graciously provided us with
Kodoz And any tool can be used by the wielder for a variety of jobs
Kodoz I appreciate the freedom that you have given us with this versatile tool
Kodoz Both as a member of PGoH, a Citizen of Trinsic, and a proud fighter
Kodoz Finally, the only advice I have for all involved
Kodoz Is that there is only one person who can choose how these elections
Kodoz or anyones words
Kodoz Or anyones actions, short of being in fel and getting PKed
Kodoz can affect you;
Kodoz And that person is yourself.
Kodoz It is your choice to react in a certain way
Kodoz It is your choice whether to take things personally
Kodoz And it is your choice to continue on in the face of adversity
Kodoz Or give up, walk away, and start anew somewhere else.
Kodoz Nobody owes it to anyone else to coddle them
Kodoz We are adults, and we should all act like it
Kodoz Once again, I am profoundly sorry that you have had to take time out
Kodoz Once again
Kodoz To deal with Catskills problems
Kodoz I hope that I will once again see you all, but under far more favorable circumstances.
Kodoz Thank you for your time, and I apologize for being a bit long.
Mesanna thank you
Kyronix Thank You
Mesanna hi Sugar
Kyronix Hello
Sugar Smacks a few things to say so ill get to it
Sugar Smacks I have had an opportunity to test this system and have had mixed results i would like to share
Sugar Smacks several of the problems i encountered involved this very shard Catskills
Sugar Smacks The problem being is the vote is no representation of the shard being voted on
Sugar Smacks I found in my election the people voted on GL brit and Atl Brit and Catskills brit
Kyronix From what I understand you attempted to misrepresent yourself as Dot Warner on Great Lakes
Sugar Smacks i think mesanna can verify there is no dot warner on my acct
Sugar Smacks i in fact had no knowledge of these events until the time of them and yes im aware of it now
Sugar Smacks and yes i find it amusing
Sugar Smacks but please back to the actual problems
Sugar Smacks you literally have 1 group speaking for ALL shards if they please at this moment
Sugar Smacks They may say they dont do it or wont do it but the fact is they CAN do it
Sugar Smacks I voted and everyone i know voted on catskills
Sugar Smacks none of us play catskils much!
Sugar Smacks should i be able to vote?
Sugar Smacks it was the same everywhere
Sugar Smacks now you might take this as a sign of me caring of losing
Sugar Smacks but i guess me laughing at that isnt convincing enough
Sugar Smacks it was a test of something new
Sugar Smacks and i warn you if this isnt happening it will happen
Sugar Smacks because i will make it happen when i can achieve enough people
Sugar Smacks so i warn 1 vote per account period when you take it farther it will not be pleasant
Sugar Smacks you will not have a community you have a group speaking for all communities
Sugar Smacks and no diversity
Sugar Smacks now if you fix it
Sugar Smacks great
Sugar Smacks if you dont
Sugar Smacks LOL
Sugar Smacks either way
Sugar Smacks i told you
Kyronix Thank You
Mesanna hi Devin
Kyronix Hello
Devin Ashley Hello
Devin Ashley I have one suggestion which a lot will not like
Devin Ashley While the system was invented for the player to vote , its not working
Devin Ashley so why not use the RNG
Devin Ashley everyone who wants to run does, and the RNG picks the winner
Devin Ashley that way noboday can complain it was unfair
Devin Ashley That is all and Thank You
Mesanna thank you
Mesanna hi Wild
Wild hi!
Mesanna Tucker is the last one tonight
Mesanna hi
Kyronix Hello
Wild i bascially want to say that nabin’s idea was reasonable in that a player must put forth some wor
Wild work
Wild in order to gain the ability to work
Wild to have a certain amount of acheivment
Wild accomplished
Wild that way at least everyone will have “earned” there right to vote
Wild no matter whom they vote for, they have earned their right
Wild also i think the one vote per account thing is on the right track
Wild because it limits the amount of potential “corruption”
Wild in the fact that hose with many many accts will not be able to manipulate every elctions
Wild just a lesser amount
Wild its not perfect
Wild but s tep in the right direction
Wild and i think that with adding accomplishment to voting rights
Wild will lesson the “misuse” of voting
Wild that and the guys idea about donuts
Mesanna lol
Wild but to include cake in such measures
Kyronix I’m in favor of more treats
Wild we will NOT excude cake on catskills
Kyronix *nods*
Wild exclude*
Wild thats it
Wild have a good night
Mesanna hi Tucker
Tucker hhi
Kyronix Hello!
Tucker I was wondering if it is possible to do term limits
Tucker based on account
Kyronix I think that might be too limiting to some of our smaller population shards
Tucker or a way to make sure that
Tucker the govenor actually serve the office
Callista Dium Prostra
Callista Dium Prostra
Kyronix We do have checks in place to make sure a Governor is a no show
Tucker and not just run to get a special title
Kyronix Governors serve at the pleasure of the King
Kyronix And the King can remove them from office if the need arises
Tucker would the people have a chance to remove
Tucker I mean
Kyronix If citizens have concerns they are encouraged to bring it to the attention to the King
Kyronix This way its not just a blind removal process where someone can falsly remove someone
Tucker ok that’s all thanks
Kyronix Thank You
Tucker good night
Kyronix Thank You Tucker
Kyronix Whew! Thank you everyone for coming out and providing feedback
Kyronix I encourage everyone to continue the conversation both within the realm and outside
Kyronix Send us your thoughts if you have something you wish to give us feedback on
Kyronix We got a lot of great info tonight and will keep it all in mind as we move forward with changes
Kyronix And additions to the Governorships
Kyronix Thanks again!
Mesanna Hi guys
Mesanna We came here tonight because there was a request for a meeting
Mesanna because of a issue you guys were having
Mesanna due to the elections
Mesanna I reseached what I could
Mesanna I read the forums
Mesanna I read the emails
Mesanna and I listened to many people before coming here tonight
Mesanna hoping I could get to the bottom of the real problem
Mesanna but honestly
Mesanna I am a bit confused
Mesanna I see a group of people some RP’ers
Mesanna some not so much
Mesanna some maybe just trying
Mesanna but all are playing the way the want to play
Mesanna maybe things got out of hand
Mesanna I was not here so I have to say maybe
Mesanna I find it hard to believe that a shard as big as Atlantic
Mesanna with as many different types of people as they have can play together
Mesanna and enjoy the elections
Mesanna as much as possible
Mesanna and we can’t do it here
Mesanna what I heard tonight was some good suggestions
Mesanna some good feedback
Mesanna I head a few personal complaints
Mesanna that GM’s could and should have been called on
Mesanna what I did come up with though from this tonight
Mesanna is I want to start a open forum night
Mesanna so its not restricted
Mesanna of course I might have to limit it in time =)
Mesanna or we will never get thru all the shards
Mesanna but as Kronix said we do appreciate your feedback
Mesanna we do take harrassement serious
Mesanna and I hate getting calls on Sunday about people on Cats being upset and wanting to quit
Mesanna so if I have missed something we have not discussed
Mesanna if we did not touch base on something
Mesanna I am asking you to email me
Mesanna I know your squelched and can’t talk
Mesanna thank you all for coming
Mesanna I will be posting the Meet the Dev times on your shards
Kyronix Thanks again for coming!
Mesanna so watch for it
Mesanna Wild
Mesanna stay alive =)
Kyronix G’nite Everyone!
Mesanna good night Everyone
Mesanna email me at [email protected]


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