Developer Meet And Greet from 2014-03-20

Developer Meet And Greet from 2014-03-20

This meeting was held in English. It was logged by Flair.

Mesanna	ok lets begin
Mesanna	Pandora welcome
Kyronix	Good Evening Pandora
Pandora	Hello my Dark one.
Mesanna	Good evening
Pandora	Well, my first feedback for you guys is that this system was a great idea….
Pandora	I know Mes really wanted it to shine from her video at the 15th anniversary
Pandora	But I think for some times now
Pandora	you’ve been trying to mesh certain communities that do not traditionally mesh well
Pandora	I felt this system was predominately created for RP’ers
Pandora	but in adding the city buffs, it seemed to want to include the pvp’ers
Pandora	and traditionally those two communities just do not get along
Pandora	its the whole reason Trammel exists in the first place
Pandora	I feel the governor system should be expanded to include Felucca
Pandora	Let them have their own governor system
Pandora	and let them have the city buffs
Pandora	The two communities are just too basically different
Pandora	We want to beautify the city, we want to have events that are based in the history of the cities
Pandora	we want to expand the collections
Pandora	like the zoo and the museum and the library
Pandora	and none of those efforts
Pandora	NONE
Pandora	are taken into consideration by certain groups
Pandora	all they want is their buff
Pandora	because they create their templates
Pandora	for pvp
Pandora	based on them
Pandora	period.
Pandora	they dont care for any efforts that we do (the RP’ers) to bring that element to the city
Pandora	and while all our events are open to all types of players
Pandora	they just dont find that stuff fun
Pandora	they want to go out and pvp
Pandora	that’s their fun
Pandora	so please
Pandora	consider that
Pandora	those two communities are DIFFERENT
Pandora	they have different goals
Pandora	different objectives
Pandora	and i’d love to see Felucca be more
Pandora	than just a place that we have exiled reds to
Pandora	it should be FAR more than that
Pandora	maybe I would enjoy pvp again
Pandora	if there was more to it
Pandora	but i urge to trhink about
Pandora	giving felucca its own governor system
Pandora	and letting trammel be more of the rp-focused governor system
Pandora	will that stop griefers?
Pandora	prob not… if someone REALLY wants to grief you
Pandora	they will
Pandora	but at least this separation will
Pandora	not PROMOTE such things
Pandora	the voting
Pandora	should be 1 vote per account on ONE SHARD
Pandora	the shard you have your house on
Pandora	that’s your main shard
Pandora	and if you play multiple shards
Pandora	great
Pandora	but to have it open up to x y z shards all over
Pandora	just wasnt a good idea
Pandora	it was far better before
Pandora	when all my characters could vote
Pandora	i feel the change was
Pandora	too impulsive
Pandora	because it actually promotes
Pandora	people cross-shard voting
Pandora	like we’re basically forced to do that
Pandora	and what about ppl like me?
Pandora	i have only ever played catskills
Pandora	my whole UO life
Pandora	I dont play other shard
Pandora	therefore
Pandora	guess what
Pandora	I am not as popular as others that do
Pandora	so its become a total popularity contest
Pandora	its not about what you can do for your city
Pandora	its about how many people you know
Pandora	:(
Mesanna	its politics
Pandora	And that’s right… it is…
Pandora	and if I paid $15/mo to be an US Citizen to vote
Pandora	then that would be equivalent
Pandora	but this is a game
Pandora	that we all subscribe to
Pandora	and pay for
Pandora	we dont want to pay money to be griefed or
Pandora	have it be unfair
Pandora	or even percieved as unfair
Pandora	again
Mesanna	Ok Pandora how were you griefed
Pandora	i think felucca should be looked at more
Pandora	Well what I percieved as griefed is the personal attacks on my character
Pandora	on my moral standing
Pandora	being called names or being told that my only job is to PAY for a city buff
Pandora	I see that as griefed
Pandora	griefing is anything that makes you feel a certain way
Pandora	it causes grief
Pandora	i felt nothing I did
Pandora	was worth anything
Pandora	it was just about paying $2 mil a week for a buff
Pandora	expected to pay that out of my own pocket
Pandora	it was just my first term, i didnt know what it was going to be like…
Pandora	hell for ever my friend was governor of another city and we didnt even know
Pandora	a guideline
Pandora	on what the EM’s could or could not provide
Pandora	it was SOOOOOO drastically different
Pandora	from one shard to the other
Mesanna	ok
Pandora	For the longest we didnt know what the system was really about
Mesanna	lets stick to the topic on hand here please
Pandora	k
Mesanna	so to sum up your issues
Mesanna	you want Fel incorportated
Pandora	I do… with its own system, with the city buffs moved there
Mesanna	well I was going to wait till the end but I will say this now
Mesanna	fel is not even under Blackthorns ruling so thats going to be hard under the new PVP system …
Mesanna	that will be in place in the future
Mesanna	we want it out of towns not putting things back into the towns
Mesanna	one vote per account per shard?
Mesanna	Is that right?
Mesanna	sorry taking notes
Pandora	more like lock an account once a vote is cast to that shard
Pandora	or if it is as Kyronix mentioned before tied to the housing database
Pandora	maybe that might be something to explore too
Pandora	vote on the shard where your house is
Mesanna	Different systems
Pandora	ok
Pandora	kyro mentioned something about it would have to be similar to that database (something to that
Pandora	effect).
Pandora	because housing is locked to 1 shard
Pandora	not that they are same systems but that its similar in tha tsense
Mesanna	Pandora please finish up
Pandora	k
Mesanna	no thats not going to work
Pandora	Okay.
Kyronix	*nods*
Pandora	Okay
Pandora	Okay
Kyronix	Thank you for your feedback
Mesanna	Thanks sorry finishing the notes
Mesanna	hi Timothy
Timothy Taterson	Greetings
Kyronix	Welcome Timothy
Mesanna	lets keep this to a few minutes ok
Timothy Taterson	Governor Smoot has sent me on his behalf
Mesanna	so everyone gets a chance to talk
Mesanna	I saw him outside
Timothy Taterson	he welcomes everyone to the city of Britain, and extends
Timothy Taterson	the office of Britain to the Dark Lady
Timothy Taterson	you are at his disposal
Timothy Taterson	I will keep this brief
Timothy Taterson	(OOC)
Timothy Taterson	The system is popular with RPers
Timothy Taterson	and to alot of RPers 2mil a week is alot
Timothy Taterson	i see no reason for a gold charge for a city buff
Timothy Taterson	smaller shards would make use of it more if it were no charge
Timothy Taterson	in regards to voting
Timothy Taterson	1 voter per account or otherwise
Timothy Taterson	please keep things simple. there are always people who will prepare, see what it takes to have an
Timothy Taterson	advantage in any system
Timothy Taterson	please keep in mind that any change, if there is any advatage, people will find it
Timothy Taterson	just please keep the system open to all
Timothy Taterson	and not just those with 20 -50 accounts who take advatage of any given voting changes
Timothy Taterson	To conclude
Timothy Taterson	Politics in a video game…
Timothy Taterson	is sure to make many unhappy
Timothy Taterson	its can be a brutal combo
Timothy Taterson	i would expect those running for governor to accept this
Timothy Taterson	a bit moreso than normal gameplay
Timothy Taterson	Governor Smoot did everything in his power to run a clean campaign
Timothy Taterson	And Commends all the Governors that try to do the same
Timothy Taterson	that is all
Kyronix	Thank you Timothy
Mesanna	thank you
Timothy Taterson	*nods*
Mesanna	Kyronix
Kyronix	Yes?
Mesanna	You want to say something before we pull more
Kyronix	Ya sure, let me talk about the trade deal real quick
Kyronix	To keep it short, because I know a lot of people want to have a chance to speak
Kyronix	You have to examine the cost based on the reality of the economy as it is
Kyronix	Is 2 mil a lot for one person? Some yes, some no – however it was never intended for one perso
Kyronix	To carry that burden, and we’ve seen that has become the case in many instances
Kyronix	So instead of just dropping the cost, what we’d rather do is provide more tools
Kyronix	For Governors and their citizens to take advantage of so they can fund their cities
Kyronix	and the treasuries in novel and exciting ways
Kyronix	That’s about the jist of it
Mesanna	thanks
Kyronix	*grins*
Mesanna	nice and short I love it
Mesanna	next
Kyronix	Hello Jon
Jon Marcus	Good evening Messana and Kyronix.Thank for for holding this meeting.
Mesanna	hi Jon
Jon Marcus	Mine will also be short
Mesanna	*smiles*
Jon Marcus	I would like to make a request that you change the “one accout–one vote+ rule
Mesanna	do you mean make it so?
Jon Marcus	I vote in Skara,but I also have another character that is very fond of Jhelom
Jon Marcus	I had to make a decision on which city to vote in
Jon Marcus	But…
Mesanna	oh I see what you mean
Jon Marcus	In allowing this,I would suggest that one account would be allowed to vote in the same city more t
Jon Marcus	than pnce
Jon Marcus	than once
Jon Marcus	Thank you
Kyronix	Thank you Jon
Mesanna	your welcome thank you for coming
Jon Marcus	thanks
Mesanna	dbl click the bell
Mesanna	Hi Bardo
Bardo	Hi mesana
Kyronix	Hello Bardo
Mesanna	No one can spell my name!
Bardo	I would like to say jsut 2 things please
Bardo	o srry
Mesanna	ok
Bardo	First I agree with Jon
Bardo	we could make its so one account could vote in 2 cities
Bardo	that would be fair I think
Bardo	and ..
Bardo	I dont know what pandoras box said all of anyway
Bardo	but not allowing pvprs to
Bardo	get buffs.. I dont agree. some of us have pvpr
Bardo	and play the rp side .,
Bardo	so I dont find that fair
Bardo	taht is all thank you
Mesanna	Thank you
Kyronix	Thank you Bardo
Aron Unrequited	Thank you for your time
Kyronix	Hello Aron
Mesanna	hi Aron
Aron Unrequited	I have one request, and one general comment
Aron Unrequited	The request first, as it doesn’t need an answer as such
Aron Unrequited	But the councils I attend tend to be well behaved, and you can see similar here tonight
Aron Unrequited	Why, we even queue decently!
Aron Unrequited	The fear of the Dark Lady perhaps; hence as a connected request, it would be nice to see that at wider events
Aron Unrequited	Greater powers to squelch etc, I’m not sure, but the things that work for the Council have made roleplay in particular so much stronger
Aron Unrequited	But, my question about it directly;
Aron Unrequited	I play Europa, there’s a question on Stratics about running for a Governer spot that’s still open
Mesanna	ok how is this related to the issue we are here tonight?
Aron Unrequited	Could there be some clarification on how players can do that?
Mesanna	is there is an opening
Aron Unrequited	On Jhelom yes
Mesanna	email me and I will discuss Europa with you
Mesanna	this is not the place tonight
Aron Unrequited	I ask because it will be open on many shards
Mesanna	this is about an issue on Cats
Mesanna	not an open forums for any issue
Mesanna	sorry
Aron Unrequited	Oh? I thought it was for Governors in general, I’m sorry
Mesanna	no its not
Aron Unrequited	Then I shall bell myself out
Aron Unrequited	Thank you again
Mesanna	no problem email me
Kyronix	Thank You
Aornis of GL	Good evening, Mesanna, Kyronix. Thank you for holding this open forum.
Mesanna	Hi Aornix
Kyronix	Hello!
Aornis of GL	I am Aornis, also Alice, of Great Lakes, the current governor of Vesper.
Aornis of GL	I came here tonight to discuss what happened during last week’s election on Great Lakes.
Aornis of GL	Specifically, I want to discuss the Britain election.
Aornis of GL	The current, and previous, governor of Brit was griefed, and I feel that the actions of
Aornis of GL	the individual who did so should have ramifications.
Mesanna	Stop guys
Mesanna	I am sorry
Mesanna	one second
Mesanna	This meeting is about Catskills
Mesanna	They are having an issue
Aornis of GL	I apologize. From what I read of FLutter’s message on stratics
Aornis of GL	it was for all greifing issues during elections
Mesanna	and asked for a meeting with us to discuss it
Mesanna	we will be more than happy to come to your shards and speak to you guys
Aornis of GL	May we request a GL meeting as well?
Mesanna	yes be happy to
Aornis of GL	Please.
Aornis of GL	Thank you!
Mesanna	we will set it up
Mesanna	but know this
Aornis of GL	Wonderful, thank you so much.
Mesanna	as I answered in email this
Mesanna	we do not have unique names
Mesanna	if a player is harrassing you then the bouncer behind me
Mesanna	will take care of it
Mesanna	he is very good at his job
Brutrin	Indeed
Aornis of GL	I have a point about the names, but I will share it on our GL meetings
Mesanna	ok
Aornis of GL	and he does look intimidating : )
Mesanna	lol
Mesanna	pretty huh
Aornis of GL	Hehe, yes
Mesanna	I am not trying to be rude here
Mesanna	I am sorry Aornis
Mesanna	we will set up a meeting
Aornis of GL	Thank you for your time. And again, I apologize for the confusioin about the topics.
Mesanna	oh I have two now
Mesanna	nice
Aornis of GL	hehe
Aornis of GL	Thank you both
Mesanna	thank you
Kyronix	Thank you
Aornis of GL	have a great evening.
Mesanna	we will set up a date
Aornis of GL	See you on GL, Mesanna.
Mesanna	ok
Mesanna	hi General
Kyronix	Greetings!
General chaos	sorry
General chaos	lost con
General chaos	sorry for the hold up
Mesanna	no worries
General chaos	im gona keep it short and to the point
Kyronix	If you get removed from teh castle just head on back
Kyronix	Not sure if you were out long enough to get auto removed
Kyronix	*smiles*
General chaos	ok anyway
General chaos	i was on the night during the last day to vote
General chaos	and there was alot bashing
General chaos	typical for general chat
General chaos	i cant quote anyone to much extent
General chaos	but i do remeber
General chaos	that someone not giving any names
General chaos	made a character
General chaos	skankilicous
General chaos	and called pandora a skank
General chaos	and i did confront them
General chaos	and they just ignored me and then it exploded in general chat
Mesanna	thats what the harrassment feature is for
General chaos	yes but that feature doesnt work
Mesanna	?
General chaos	mutiple people have used it
General chaos	and nothing happend
Mesanna	Is it broke?
General chaos	happens
General chaos	not broke
General chaos	no gms heere
General chaos	here
Mesanna	Psst
General chaos	i have been back
Mesanna	two right here
General chaos	for 3 months
General chaos	and u guys are the first ones to see
Mesanna	and you won’t see a GM for that type of call
General chaos	i understand people trash talk
General chaos	its a game
General chaos	but breaking peoples morals and stuff like ive seen
Mesanna	General I am trying to get to the bottom of the issue here
General chaos	uncalled for
Mesanna	agreed
General chaos	aye
Mesanna	we are supposed to be adults
Mesanna	or most of us are =)
General chaos	i know
General chaos	thats all i gotta say
Mesanna	thank you
Kyronix	Thank You
General chaos	thank you guys
Mesanna	dbl click the bell
Mesanna	hi Parnoc
Parnoc	Good Evening
Kyronix	Hello!
Parnoc	i just have a comment that i think may help
Parnoc	I feel that this was done to make the cities more visited
Parnoc	but it has done the opposite
Parnoc	i feel that is
Parnoc	if
Parnoc	the buff were decided by each citizen
Parnoc	it would not make the person switch his city that he has been loyal to for
Parnoc	perhaps a long time
Parnoc	and would make much more popular the city buff and loyalty for each city
Parnoc	that’s it, thank you very much
Mesanna	thank you
Kyronix	Thank You
Mesanna	hi Lucent
Lucent Dreher	Hello
Kyronix	Hello Lucent
Lucent Dreher	I’d like to keep this short
Lucent Dreher	as many are waiting
Lucent Dreher	so excuse abruptness
Mesanna	*nods*
Lucent Dreher	I feel that most people do not agree that the city system is for rpers and that it is useful to
Lucent Dreher	all
Lucent Dreher	I also would like to know exactly what the problem on catskills was
Mesanna	me too
Mesanna	I have heard many things
Lucent Dreher	The election might have been a bit heated but it couldn’t be the worst
Mesanna	but I hoped to hear it first hand
Mesanna	but I haven’t
Lucent Dreher	Sorry that’s about it
Lucent Dreher	cya
Mesanna	thank you
Mesanna	hi Velvathos
Mesanna	stop
Velvathos	Greetings!
Kyronix	Sorry!
Kyronix	Wrong button
Velvathos	Interestin’ look ye have there Mesanna, been bathing in charcoal again?
Velvathos	Anyways!
Velvathos	Onto the discussion! I believe voting
Mesanna	you better be glad my slay button stalled out =P
Velvathos	I believe that voting should be done once per shard somehow, like someone else suggested
Velvathos	Tied to your house or something along the lines
Velvathos	But I feel you should be able to use all your characters to vote to vote in multiple cities
Velvathos	But only on one shard
Velvathos	I believe that’s all for now then..
Velvathos	I will send you an e-mail..
Mesanna	thank you
Mesanna	ok
Mesanna	hi Brigantia
Brigantia	Could we please have some way of earning lockdowns for our events? A tool with limited time set?
Brigantia	Something that is not subject to the whims of EM’s?
Brigantia	Spread out to all the cities?
Mesanna	For what purpose?
Brigantia	Events
Brigantia	to combat griefers
Brigantia	so they dont run off with all our decor [Brigantia: and ruin our events
Mesanna	you mean like the market
Mesanna	or a crafting center
Mesanna	etc
Brigantia	no like the Hoopla
Brigantia	only Governors can do it
Mesanna	ok so Kyronix and the team have talked about this
Brigantia	something not subject to the whim of EMs
Mesanna	and we talked to the EM’s
Brigantia	something we can earn
Brigantia	so its not just given out to 3 cites of 9 for example
Mesanna	we are going to build a library of the areas
Mesanna	that the governs can place for a limited time
Mesanna	in specific areas
Mesanna	but giving you the options to lock down items
Brigantia	that will help greatly
Mesanna	I think that will help you guys alot
Mesanna	do the events you want to do
Mesanna	and you can place them yourselfs
Mesanna	and place the styles of set ups you want
Mesanna	but thats in the future
Brigantia	it will help with greifers and percieved favoritism
Brigantia	i may consider running again if that is in place
Brigantia	thank you
Mesanna	your welcome
Mesanna	thanks you
Mesanna	thank you
Mesanna	Poo Poo
Mesanna	Hi
Kyronix	Hello
Poo Poo Undies	Hello
Poo Poo Undies	Are there any plans on the table to expand the role of the governorship…
Poo Poo Undies	or to provide a purpose to encourage players to interact with their town governor?
Poo Poo Undies	aside from the town buff.
Kyronix	I think people are already doing that
Kyronix	On a number of shards
Kyronix	It’s about what you make it – we left i open ended for a reason
Poo Poo Undies	Outside of roleplay?
Kyronix	The main purpose is to provide a medium for interacting with events throughout the realm
Kyronix	And bringing community leaders together and supporting them
Poo Poo Undies	Ok. That is all I have to ask
Poo Poo Undies	Thank you
Kyronix	providing tools to accomplish that would be along the lines of something beyond the buff
Kyronix	Thank you
Mesanna	hi Aurelius
Aurelius	Thank you for the chance to speak on Governor issues, i’ll try be brief…
Aurelius	First I agree with most of what Pandora gave as reasons againt sht one vote per account, but ald
Aurelius	I play characters, not accounts – by all means limit the account vote to one shard,
Aurelius	but adding another gap between the player and the characters is not a good idea…
Aurelius	It also led to an issue where someone appeared to stand on multiple – as in about 20 – shards
Aurelius	As they were the only opponent to most governors they challenged, people were
Aurelius	obliged to vote for that governor – only for the ‘pretender’ to withdraw a ady into the elections
Aurelius	so effectively thos people lost any opportunity for a meaningful vote
Aurelius	on their home shard.
Aurelius	As for Felucca, and buffs … we do need something for the Fel people …
Aurelius	As it stands, the Trammel only option is causing more divisiveness between the
Aurelius	two groups of players, hwich surely can’t be the intention…
Aurelius	A different, but parralel, system would be welcome.
Aurelius	Regarding voting being ‘politics’ … yes, it is, in part
Aurelius	but when it’s made cross shard polularity, it’s not in-game, shard specific, politics,..
Aurelius	and again, surely that is not what is intended?
Aurelius	The other thigns I had planned to say, seem inappropriate as I had
Aurelius	uinderstood from theforums this was a general ‘Governor’s issues’ duiscussion …
Aurelius	Perhaps we can arrange such a general, not shard specific, conversation in some way?
Aurelius	And that’s about it ….
Mesanna	thank you
Aurelius	Thank you for your time
Kyronix	Thank you!
Mesanna	Hi Jirel
Jirel of Joiry	Hello mesanna plz forgive my slow typing and abbr. I hava broken arm and only one hand 4 typing
Mesanna	Oh I am sorry
Kyronix	Hello! And feel better :(
Jirel of Joiry	I wish to ask 4 a legends meeting
Mesanna	ok
Mesanna	we will do one for all shards
Jirel of Joiry	ty kyronix
Mesanna	think its a good idea
Jirel of Joiry	ty we have had elections probs too
Jirel of Joiry	ty 4 both of your time
Mesanna	thank you
Kyronix	Thank you
Jirel of Joiry	sorry again 4 crummy typing
Kyronix	No problem
Mesanna	no worries
Mesanna	dbl click the bell
Mesanna	feel better
Jirel of Joiry	ty mesanna
Mesanna	hi Va’lis
Kyronix	Hello Va’lis Va’lis Razele: Good evening. Va’lis Razele: Where to start where to start… Va’lis Razele: Well first…if you arent doing anything after this Mesanna…I know a lovely tavern in Nu’jelm Va’lis Razele: But that is besides the point
Mesanna	asking me for a date? Va’lis Razele: Are you saying yes?
Mesanna	we will talk later *winks* Va’lis Razele: Oh lovely. Va’lis Razele: Now, down to business Va’lis Razele: I have a few points I would like to bring up. Va’lis Razele: First… The griefing issues. Va’lis Razele: I was there for much of the final day of elections. Va’lis Razele: And to say it was heated well.. Va’lis Razele: Name calling is one thing. Va’lis Razele: Some things were taken past that. Va’lis Razele: Such as this Va’lis Razele: One of many dropped throughout the towns Va’lis Razele: But. Va’lis Razele: People seemed very upset Va’lis Razele: About people using multiple accounts Va’lis Razele: That they pay for
Mesanna	look at general chat please Va’lis Razele: To vote how they wished.
Mesanna	Va’lis I am aware of all this and more actually
Mesanna	but thank you Va’lis Razele: Ah lovely. Va’lis Razele: Second thing then.
Mesanna	I did come informed Va’lis Razele: I am glad. Va’lis Razele: But…My next thing Va’lis Razele: Was on the topic of voting? Va’lis Razele: In RL, voting is restricted to those of age Va’lis Razele: Even gifts are restricted to those of age. Va’lis Razele: Why is voting not as well? Va’lis Razele: Just a thought. Va’lis Razele: And one final thing.
Mesanna	Are you talking 30 days old? Va’lis Razele: 30,60,a year
Mesanna	do you really think that would help? Va’lis Razele: Something Va’lis Razele: I think it would help Va’lis Razele: Yes Va’lis Razele: Now..I know.. Va’lis Razele: That some would treat is they do with the gift xsharding Va’lis Razele: But it would help a bit. Va’lis Razele: I saw a few trial accounts opened Va’lis Razele: The young status dropped Va’lis Razele: Ingots donated Va’lis Razele: And they voted
Kyronix	You can’t vote with a trial account Va’lis Razele: If they purchase the 1 month game time
Mesanna	Brutrin you there? Va’lis Razele: They can. Va’lis Razele: I have in the past done it. Va’lis Razele: I admit it, I have. Va’lis Razele: Not for the most recent election Va’lis Razele: But in the past.
Kyronix	At that point they have paid for their time just as anyone has
Mesanna	Please divorce that person please Va’lis Razele: Then why are gifts not allowed instantly as well? Va’lis Razele: Merely my thoughts on the matter in regard to voting.
Kyronix	We appreciate the feedback
Mesanna	tell him to just change the name please Va’lis Razele: Last thing Va’lis Razele: The whole buff issue Va’lis Razele: I am one that agrees , that maybe the buffs should not be tied to the governorship Va’lis Razele: But maybe to the guild system Va’lis Razele: With a guild treasury Va’lis Razele: After all Va’lis Razele: Some players have their own towns Va’lis Razele: Or other things
Mesanna	thank you Va’lis that they do Va’lis Razele: I think that is all I have.
Mesanna	thank you Va’lis Razele: And Mesanna, I will be waiting for your answer. Va’lis Razele: *winks*
Mesanna	*grins*
Gareth	Man handle me
Mesanna	Hi Gareth
Kyronix	Hello Gareth
Gareth	‘Ello
Gareth	I have some suggestions to deal with “Outer Shard Voter Fraud”
Gareth	and this is coming from an owner of 26 Active UO Accounts
Gareth	A way to deal with Outer Shard Voter Fraud during elections is to have each vote drain
Gareth	your Characters Loyalty to say negative -10,000. This way the player would have to put
Gareth	in the effort to build their rating back up to vote in every election. You could also cap
Gareth	the amount of Ingots, Wood Etc. you can donate to gain Loyalty. This would also put a
Gareth	wrench in the scripters machine so they can no longer mine unlimited sources of Loyalty.
Gareth	This would not negatively impact players who regularly play on the shard or those who
Gareth	play on Multiple shards because if they truly play the shard
Gareth	building their Loyalty Rating back up should be no problem.
Gareth	*Takes a breath*
Gareth	And last, I’d like to call for a Producers election and wish to submit my candidacy
Mesanna	macro that did ya?
Gareth	Ctrl C V
Gareth	:-)
Kyronix	Heh
Gareth	One day… *Shakes fist* One day
Mesanna	have a nice day
Gareth	I will
Gareth	you too Krynoix
Gareth	*Evil eyes*
Kyronix	Have a good one, enjoy!
Gareth	You may man handle me out of here now
Mesanna	you can do that yourself
Mesanna	dbl click the bell
Mesanna	hi Wildstar
WildStar of Baja	Hello
Kyronix	Hello WildStar
WildStar of Baja	First
WildStar of Baja	I think voting is already resisted to one vote per shard per vote
WildStar of Baja	I think Pandora meant one vote per account
WildStar of Baja	Second
WildStar of Baja	Role-players and PvPers don’t have to be at each others throats
WildStar of Baja	On baja, several PvP guild were providing the funds for the deals
WildStar of Baja	so the two groups can work together
WildStar of Baja	that was all I had to say
Kyronix	Thank You
Mesanna	thank you
Mesanna	Hi Aedon
Kyronix	Hello Aedon
Aedon Durreah	Evening Mesanna and things who scare me
Stethun	Roar and such.
Mesanna	lol
Mesanna	my pretties
Mesanna	*snickers*
Aedon Durreah	First off, I have not seen any true devide in the community I am a part of,
Aedon Durreah	I have dealings with those who sit in taverns and those why wild wildly through the old lands
Aedon Durreah	This election showed that coming together
Aedon Durreah	We had candidates from all walks
Aedon Durreah	Was there some mud slinging, most likely
Aedon Durreah	I myself dropped leaflets telling voters how untrustworthy I am
Aedon Durreah	And yet, I did win
Mesanna	lol
Mesanna	I am sorry
Kyronix	I guess that’s one way to do it
Aedon Durreah	I have also had folks from all walks call me names
Mesanna	I shouldn’t laugh
Aedon Durreah	indeed
Aedon Durreah	And i could make a long list of insults and hurt feelings, but to what end?
Aedon Durreah	Elections are dirty work
Aedon Durreah	And not for those easily hurt or insulted
Aedon Durreah	I have a lot of respect for what we are building in these lands
Mesanna	You have made some very good points
Kyronix	Indeed
Aedon Durreah	And hope that no actions will be taken to disrupt the unity of the community at large
Mesanna	thank you
Aedon Durreah	Thank you for your time and not killing me
Kyronix	Thank you Aedon
Mesanna	I would not kill you
Mesanna	I just enjoy killing Gareth
Kyronix	*snickers*
Mesanna	Hi Flutter
Kyronix	Hello Flutter
Flutter	Hello Lady
Flutter	And Hello Ladys minions
Flutter	Im sorry this is taking so long
Flutter	Id like to address a fact
Flutter	with the audience
Flutter	Mesanna has my permission though she doesnt need it im sure
Flutter	to go through all of my accounts
Flutter	and hunt down meanly named characters
Flutter	that may hurt someones feelings
Flutter	The Dark Lady has had my credit card information for months
Flutter	certainly she is free to look at my accounts
Mesanna	*LAUGHS*
Kyronix	*chuckles*
Mesanna	trusting soul
Flutter	I have no “issues” and dont know why anyone would unless they are sensitive
Flutter	I do understand some people are
Flutter	And I do know that certian folk have blamed me for their “issues”
Flutter	I assure you I have not encouraged anyone to be ugly
Flutter	Aint nobody got time fo dat
Flutter	But My Lady I beg of you
Flutter	Dont limit our voting to once per shard period
Flutter	I do play multiple shards
Flutter	I do enjoy the company of many people herre and abroad
Flutter	I do not believe there to be one person elected to Catskills
Flutter	that does not role play in some way
Flutter	be it insufficient for those with “issues” i cannot help that
Flutter	some of us enjoy all apsects of the game
Flutter	But to say that we are not a tignly knit community is wrong
Flutter	Even I and the lovely Devin Ashley have mended fences
Flutter	and if that is possible
Flutter	all else is as well
Flutter	But limiting votes
Flutter	to once per account
Flutter	only hurts the poor fellow with only one account
Flutter	who wants to run
Flutter	versus the grroup that has what has been called “70+”
Flutter	its a lock in win for that person
Flutter	and everyone
Flutter	even the one with one account only
Flutter	should have a chance
Flutter	if they wish
Flutter	Thank you so much for taking the time
Flutter	to listen to everyone
Mesanna	No problem
Kyronix	Thank You Flutter
Flutter	And I aologise if there was a misunderstanding as to what the conversation is supposed to be abou
Mesanna	thank you
Flutter	I hope whoever had the issue does come forward
Mesanna	hi Thom
Kyronix	Hello Thom
Thom	Evening.
Thom	I’m not sure what the specific complain was about this last election
Thom	but i was around for most of the week of elections
Thom	And I was watching the Britain election a good bit
Thom	I’m sure there was more to it then what I saw
Thom	but from what I saw people that were not running were causing the issues.
Thom	Personally
Thom	I feel that if you run for governor you open yourself up to a certain amount of comments
Thom	And grief from other people
Thom	And if you can not handle that in an appropriate manner
Thom	then perhaps you can best benefit your chosen city in a way that doesn’t involve running for office.
Thom	It doesn’t require the governor office to run events or better the cities, and people can work with
Thom	the elected people to get things done.
Thom	There isn’t a person elected on Catskills that i’m aware of that wouldn’t work with someone in their city
Thom	To get things done
Thom	The other thing
Thom	That I wanted to say was about the trade deals
Thom	I am looking forward to the things that you have mentioned tonight as coming to the system to help
Thom	and feel that the deals benefit everyone equally whether they rp, pvp or strictly pvm
Thom	The governor system does a good job of getting people involved in rp that wouldn’t normally
Thom	participate in it. And that’s a good thing
Mesanna	Thank you Thom
Thom	Thank you.
Kyronix	Thank you!
Thom	For taking the time to listen to us.
Mesanna	hi Shenzin
Shenzin	Hello Mesanna and Kyronix, and thank you for this visit.
Kyronix	Hello!
Shenzin	I stand before you to speak to the voting
Shenzin	I observed both the Vesper and Brit voting
Shenzin	and the Vesper vote was ell handles
Shenzin	handled
Shenzin	but
Shenzin	dear friends of Catskills
Shenzin	I was ashamed of ghe Brit voting
Shenzin	to watch newbie players come for who knows where
Shenzin	and recieve ingots from a packy to gain voting rights?
Shenzin	is dead wrong
Shenzin	I hope I never witness this shamfulness again here
Shenzin	I trust you wil addreess this
Shenzin	thank you
Kyronix	Thank You
Mesanna	thank you
Mesanna	hi Tobias
Tobias Cardont	Hello.
Tobias Cardont	And thank you.
Kyronix	Hello
Tobias Cardont	Just two sort of quick things
Tobias Cardont	First, as a role-player, I’d like to think that role-playing is something that incorporates all kinds of playstyles.
Tobias Cardont	PVP, PVM, etc.
Tobias Cardont	I don’t think separate but equal is ever a good idea, and hope that approach isn’t adopted.
Tobias Cardont	Second, I was watching the election here very closely.
Tobias Cardont	Including in and out of game communications with both sides.
Tobias Cardont	Both sides attacked credibility. Both sides recruited cross-shard voting.
Tobias Cardont	They more or less used the same tactics.
Tobias Cardont	And I don’t thin kthere’s anything wrong with that.
Tobias Cardont	People should be free to use their accounts to vote how they wish.
Tobias Cardont	We all pay money for them.
Tobias Cardont	Lastly, when something is a big public spectacle.
Tobias Cardont	A lot of people are going to come out of the woodwork.
Tobias Cardont	I don’t think it’s fair to blame either side for everything that someone decided to say.
Tobias Cardont	Some people enjoy griefing some people might have had an unrelated axe to grind with one of the candidates.
Tobias Cardont	In general, I don’t really even understand the need for this meeting because I’ve seen worse elections in UO.
Tobias Cardont	but I do appreciate you taking the time to organize this meeting.
Tobias Cardont	And hope that it helps in the future.
Tobias Cardont	Thanl you and that’s all.
Tobias Cardont	Thank you even.
Mesanna	Thank you
Tobias Cardont	How do I escape?!
Mesanna	Tobias dbl click the bell
Kyronix	The Bell!
Tobias Cardont	Thanks!
Mesanna	hi Jac
Jac Singleton	My Lady, My Lord, good Beasts…Good evening.
Kyronix	Hello!
Jac Singleton	i would like to tell you that this is going to be very brief,
Mesanna	silent type =)
Jac Singleton	so short in fact that you may not even realize that i have stopped speaking by the time this is
Jac Singleton	but i wanted to be sure that you were well aware that i am a man of few words, and that I will
Jac Singleton	keep my thoughts incredibly short…
Jac Singleton	because i believe that if i keep my speech short, it will be better understood in a very quick mann
Jac Singleton	er
Jac Singleton	and to be concise, i want to remind you that i’ll be quick about this…
Jac Singleton	thank you for this brief meeting…
Jac Singleton	That being said…
Jac Singleton	I wish to remind everyone that behaviors speak louder than words…
Jac Singleton	and this in the end is purely entertainment.
Jac Singleton	Thank you.
Mesanna	thank you
Kyronix	Thank You
Mesanna	Hi I
I SUCK UP	Hello
Kyronix	Hello
I SUCK UP	First Time Speaker, Long Time ULTIMA player
I SUCK UP	I have just one question in 7 parts.
Mesanna	welcome
I SUCK UP	I’d just like to start off with saying; What a great job you have done in sept hold’s on Atlantic.
Mesanna	thanks
I SUCK UP	1. Will there ever be a stop to one person being Governor on (X) number of shards
I SUCK UP	Sorry 1min phone.
Mesanna	excuse me
Mesanna	we just got put on hold I think
Mesanna	hrm
Mesanna	*looks at watch*
I SUCK UP	sorry
Mesanna	lol
I SUCK UP	I have more inportant things
Mesanna	ok
Mesanna	hi James
James	Hello! *Smiles cheerfully*
James	Well, I don’t consider myself much of a citizen of any of the cities…I live in the Freehold.
James	I did become a member of Yew though, so I could vote to make Aedon king.
James	I was originally thinking of being part of Britain though, but none of the candidates I heard of
James	Wanted to burn down the city.
James	Which brings me to why I was standing in line, as I found out as I got near the front
James	was to talk about voting.
James	I never cared much for it, or took it too seriously..
Kyronix	*nom*
James	I’m more in favor of having a king, duely chosen, by seeing which of possible royals
James	would probibly complain the most if they didn’t get their way
James	then you put them in charge so they’d stop it.
James	That’s about all I have to say about voting.
James	By the way, aren’t you the lady who made all those pies?
Mesanna	Nope not me
Mesanna	never
Kyronix	Mesanna’s pie making skills are known throughout the realm
Kyronix	She’s just being modest
Kyronix	*nods*
Kyronix	Thank you James
Mesanna	Thank you =)
James	I like those pies, much better for throwing then most of the other ones.
Mesanna	*grins*
Mesanna	dbl click the bell to escape
James	Alright then
Mesanna	thank you
Mesanna	hi Tserim
Kyronix	Hello
Tserim Arryth	My lady!!
Tserim Arryth	I must say, you are looking particularly evil today
Mesanna	Why thank you
Tserim Arryth	I have two comments and of course a humble suggestion
Mesanna	compliments will get you everywhere!
Mesanna	of course
Tserim Arryth	Firstly, I caution against voting requirements rules which have been suggested
Tserim Arryth	One vote per account, acount age, and so forth
Tserim Arryth	There will always be a sense of unfairness in large elections
Tserim Arryth	For there will always be someone with many accounts, or a lot of gold or a lot of friends
Tserim Arryth	What matters, in the end, is that the governor does their job
Mesanna	agreed
Tserim Arryth	As I understand it, King Blackthorn has the authority to remove ineffective governors
Mesanna	that he does
Tserim Arryth	As for mud slinging, so long as all live within the rules of Sosaria, it matters little
Tserim Arryth	I’ve wrestled bears with fouler mouths!
Tserim Arryth	My second comment…
Tserim Arryth	I feel that the governors bear too much of a burden with trade deals
Tserim Arryth	I think that it help to find a way to spread the love of paying for these trade deals
Tserim Arryth	But more importantly:?
Tserim Arryth	Smaller shards with smaller populations, cannot so easily get these deals themselves
Tserim Arryth	For this reason I think it might be better to have different costs for different deals
Tserim Arryth	Or at least some way for smaller towns to access some kind of deal
Tserim Arryth	Maybe the cost could scale to the number of citizens or the number of people that use the deal
Tserim Arryth	Finally, my humble suggestion
Tserim Arryth	There is an up and coming industry in these great lands of Britannia
Tserim Arryth	I feel they are being left out of the city trade deals
Tserim Arryth	I speak, of course, of the Donut Bakers Association.
Tserim Arryth	I feel they have a lot to offer to the great cities of Britannia!
Kyronix	Donuts are tasty
Tserim Arryth	Yes!!
Tserim Arryth	If there is one thing we need in these harrowing times, my lady, it’s more donuts
Mesanna	wewill take that under advisement
Tserim Arryth	I feel that the recent election could have avoided much of its drama with more donuts.
Mesanna	I will see what we can do
Tserim Arryth	In any case, that is all I have to say about that!
Kyronix	Thank You
Tserim Arryth	Toodles!
Mesanna	thank you
Mesanna	Hi Tazar
Kyronix	Hello Tazar
Tazar	Greetings My Lady,
Tazar	I’ll try to keep this short:
Tazar	Thank you for providing the governor’s system.
Tazar	We all know that nothing is perfect, and that no matter how it is designed, someone will figure out ways to take advantage, etc.
Tazar	But as a whole, I’d say the program has been a success.
Tazar	Some have complained about what EM’s and/or you can or won’t do for them.
Tazar	but it really boils down to what the Governor can do.
Tazar	I was governor for 2 terms on Atlantic and had a great time with it.
Tazar	As Governor, I hosted events, and I never really requested anything of the EM’s and never received anything
Tazar	except King’s Guards attacking everyone near my house and killing all my neighbors… *grins*
Tazar	But it was fun all the way through from start to finish.
Tazar	I do however recommend Term Limits be it overall terms allowed, or consecutive terms.
Tazar	This system should not really be dominated by a few but should be shared by all.
Tazar	I, for one, appreciate the time you and your Dev/EM Team have put into this.
Tazar	Like UO itself, you’ve added another level to the sandbox and left the system open for us to play with and take it where we will.
Tazar	You can’t please everyone, but I think you all have done a great job.
Kyronix	Thank You Tazar
Tazar	Thank you.
Mesanna	Thank you Tazar
Tazar	Now…
Tazar	Will you kill Flair for me?
Tazar	<<<<<<<<<<< *grins*
Mesanna	Flair has not said a word all night long =P
Kyronix	Hello
Mesanna	hi Kodoz
Kodoz	Good evening to all four of you
Kodoz	First I’d like to apologize for taking up your night this way, so I will try to be brief.
Kodoz	Second, I’d like to say we all appreciate the fine jobs you do on a consistent basis for us
Kodoz	Third, I’d like to say that I’ve heard and been witness to a lot of things with…
Kodoz	These elections, and that there is one recurring theme that everything falls back to.
Kodoz	What has been done to make them fair has been done, to my knowledge
Kodoz	Short of insane measures that would be profoundly ridiculous to implement
Kodoz	And incredibly time consuming if they were possible
Kodoz	There are few things that could improve it
Kodoz	Changing to veterans only discourages new players or new accounts
Kodoz	And nobody wants that.
Kodoz	However, the recurring problem to me is that there is a profound lack….
Kodoz	Of perspective.
Kodoz	These positions, while In Character
Kodoz	Are not some end all be all to our shard or any other.
Kodoz	They are merely another tool that you have graciously provided us with
Kodoz	And any tool can be used by the wielder for a variety of jobs
Kodoz	I appreciate the freedom that you have given us with this versatile tool
Kodoz	Both as a member of PGoH, a Citizen of Trinsic, and a proud fighter
Kodoz	Finally, the only advice I have for all involved
Kodoz	Is that there is only one person who can choose how these elections
Kodoz	or anyones words
Kodoz	Or anyones actions, short of being in fel and getting PKed
Kodoz	can affect you;
Kodoz	And that person is yourself.
Kodoz	It is your choice to react in a certain way
Kodoz	It is your choice whether to take things personally
Kodoz	And it is your choice to continue on in the face of adversity
Kodoz	Or give up, walk away, and start anew somewhere else.
Kodoz	Nobody owes it to anyone else to coddle them
Kodoz	We are adults, and we should all act like it
Kodoz	Once again, I am profoundly sorry that you have had to take time out
Kodoz	Once again
Kodoz	To deal with Catskills problems
Kodoz	I hope that I will once again see you all, but under far more favorable circumstances.
Kodoz	Thank you for your time, and I apologize for being a bit long.
Mesanna	thank you
Kyronix	Thank You
Mesanna	hi Sugar
Kyronix	Hello
Sugar Smacks	a few things to say so ill get to it
Sugar Smacks	I have had an opportunity to test this system and have had mixed results i would like to share
Sugar Smacks	several of the problems i encountered involved this very shard Catskills
Sugar Smacks	The problem being is the vote is no representation of the shard being voted on
Sugar Smacks	I found in my election the people voted on GL brit and Atl Brit and Catskills brit
Kyronix	From what I understand you attempted to misrepresent yourself as Dot Warner on Great Lakes
Sugar Smacks	i think mesanna can verify there is no dot warner on my acct
Sugar Smacks	i in fact had no knowledge of these events until the time of them and yes im aware of it now
Sugar Smacks	and yes i find it amusing
Sugar Smacks	but please back to the actual problems
Sugar Smacks	you literally have 1 group speaking for ALL shards if they please at this moment
Sugar Smacks	They may say they dont do it or wont do it but the fact is they CAN do it
Sugar Smacks	I voted and everyone i know voted on catskills
Sugar Smacks	none of us play catskils much!
Sugar Smacks	should i be able to vote?
Sugar Smacks	it was the same everywhere
Sugar Smacks	now you might take this as a sign of me caring of losing
Sugar Smacks	but i guess me laughing at that isnt convincing enough
Sugar Smacks	it was a test of something new
Sugar Smacks	and i warn you if this isnt happening it will happen
Sugar Smacks	because i will make it happen when i can achieve enough people
Sugar Smacks	so i warn 1 vote per account period when you take it farther it will not be pleasant
Sugar Smacks	you will not have a community you have a group speaking for all communities
Sugar Smacks	and no diversity
Sugar Smacks	now if you fix it
Sugar Smacks	great
Sugar Smacks	if you dont
Sugar Smacks	LOL
Sugar Smacks	either way
Sugar Smacks	i told you
Kyronix	Thank You
Mesanna	hi Devin
Kyronix	Hello
Devin Ashley	Hello
Devin Ashley	I have one suggestion which a lot will not like
Devin Ashley	While the system was invented for the player to vote , its not working
Devin Ashley	so why not use the RNG
Devin Ashley	everyone who wants to run does, and the RNG picks the winner
Devin Ashley	that way noboday can complain it was unfair
Devin Ashley	That is all and Thank You
Mesanna	thank you
Mesanna	hi Wild
Wild	hi!
Mesanna	Tucker is the last one tonight
Mesanna	hi
Kyronix	Hello
Wild	i bascially want to say that nabin’s idea was reasonable in that a player must put forth some wor
Wild	work
Wild	in order to gain the ability to work
Wild	to have a certain amount of acheivment
Wild	accomplished
Wild	that way at least everyone will have “earned” there right to vote
Wild	no matter whom they vote for, they have earned their right
Wild	also i think the one vote per account thing is on the right track
Wild	because it limits the amount of potential “corruption”
Wild	in the fact that hose with many many accts will not be able to manipulate every elctions
Wild	just a lesser amount
Wild	its not perfect
Wild	but s tep in the right direction
Wild	and i think that with adding accomplishment to voting rights
Wild	will lesson the “misuse” of voting
Wild	that and the guys idea about donuts
Mesanna	lol
Wild	but to include cake in such measures
Kyronix	I’m in favor of more treats
Wild	we will NOT excude cake on catskills
Kyronix	*nods*
Wild	exclude*
Wild	thats it
Wild	have a good night
Mesanna	hi Tucker
Tucker	hhi
Kyronix	Hello!
Tucker	I was wondering if it is possible to do term limits
Tucker	based on account
Kyronix	I think that might be too limiting to some of our smaller population shards
Tucker	or a way to make sure that
Tucker	the govenor actually serve the office
Callista	Dium Prostra
Callista	Dium Prostra
Kyronix	We do have checks in place to make sure a Governor is a no show
Tucker	and not just run to get a special title
Kyronix	Governors serve at the pleasure of the King
Kyronix	And the King can remove them from office if the need arises
Tucker	would the people have a chance to remove
Tucker	I mean
Kyronix	If citizens have concerns they are encouraged to bring it to the attention to the King
Kyronix	This way its not just a blind removal process where someone can falsly remove someone
Tucker	ok that’s all thanks
Kyronix	Thank You
Tucker	good night
Kyronix	Thank You Tucker
Kyronix	Whew! Thank you everyone for coming out and providing feedback
Kyronix	I encourage everyone to continue the conversation both within the realm and outside
Kyronix	Send us your thoughts if you have something you wish to give us feedback on
Kyronix	We got a lot of great info tonight and will keep it all in mind as we move forward with changes
Kyronix	And additions to the Governorships
Kyronix	Thanks again!
Mesanna	Hi guys
Mesanna	We came here tonight because there was a request for a meeting
Mesanna	because of a issue you guys were having
Mesanna	due to the elections
Mesanna	I reseached what I could
Mesanna	I read the forums
Mesanna	I read the emails
Mesanna	and I listened to many people before coming here tonight
Mesanna	hoping I could get to the bottom of the real problem
Mesanna	but honestly
Mesanna	I am a bit confused
Mesanna	I see a group of people some RP’ers
Mesanna	some not so much
Mesanna	some maybe just trying
Mesanna	but all are playing the way the want to play
Mesanna	maybe things got out of hand
Mesanna	I was not here so I have to say maybe
Mesanna	I find it hard to believe that a shard as big as Atlantic
Mesanna	with as many different types of people as they have can play together
Mesanna	and enjoy the elections
Mesanna	as much as possible
Mesanna	and we can’t do it here
Mesanna	what I heard tonight was some good suggestions
Mesanna	some good feedback
Mesanna	I head a few personal complaints
Mesanna	that GM’s could and should have been called on
Mesanna	what I did come up with though from this tonight
Mesanna	is I want to start a open forum night
Mesanna	so its not restricted
Mesanna	of course I might have to limit it in time =)
Mesanna	or we will never get thru all the shards
Mesanna	but as Kronix said we do appreciate your feedback
Mesanna	we do take harrassement serious
Mesanna	and I hate getting calls on Sunday about people on Cats being upset and wanting to quit
Mesanna	so if I have missed something we have not discussed
Mesanna	if we did not touch base on something
Mesanna	I am asking you to email me
Mesanna	I know your squelched and can’t talk
Mesanna	thank you all for coming
Mesanna	I will be posting the Meet the Dev times on your shards
Kyronix	Thanks again for coming!
Mesanna	so watch for it
Mesanna	Wild
Mesanna	stay alive =)
Kyronix	G’nite Everyone!
Mesanna	good night Everyone
Mesanna	email me at [email protected]

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